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	<description>The mental ramblings of Sanya Weathers</description>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
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		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Artheos, I really hope you never develop an illness that requires you to be on steroids, and learn exactly how kind people are to to the fat, whether or not you overeat.

&lt;I&gt;Can’t think of something insulting to say? Pick the most obvious thing about that person! &lt;/I&gt;

No, that&#039;s not all it is. The fact that they make sexual comments &lt;I&gt;every time&lt;/I&gt; about women is not an accident--and the sexual comments about men, you&#039;ll note, are degrading because they&#039;re about using a man like a woman. (The standard line about making somebody &#039;my bitch&#039; does not refer to the female canine.)

Melissa, so you&#039;re not a feminist why? I don&#039;t get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Artheos, I really hope you never develop an illness that requires you to be on steroids, and learn exactly how kind people are to to the fat, whether or not you overeat.</p>
<p><i>Can’t think of something insulting to say? Pick the most obvious thing about that person! </i></p>
<p>No, that&#8217;s not all it is. The fact that they make sexual comments <i>every time</i> about women is not an accident&#8211;and the sexual comments about men, you&#8217;ll note, are degrading because they&#8217;re about using a man like a woman. (The standard line about making somebody &#8216;my bitch&#8217; does not refer to the female canine.)</p>
<p>Melissa, so you&#8217;re not a feminist why? I don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob the Barman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob the Barman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I was under the impression that people could control their weight through their choices of diet and exercise, and that it is healthy to do so.&quot;

People and their weight is nobody&#039; business but their own. People deluding themselves otherwise and shoving their noses in where they have no right to be, is how people end up with things like dieting illnesses.

That&#039;s not an impression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I was under the impression that people could control their weight through their choices of diet and exercise, and that it is healthy to do so.&#8221;</p>
<p>People and their weight is nobody&#8217; business but their own. People deluding themselves otherwise and shoving their noses in where they have no right to be, is how people end up with things like dieting illnesses.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not an impression.</p>
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		<title>By: J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of what I&#039;ve said has been on private or at least semi-private Internet channels.

I tried to tell everyone to shut up about it. BUT YOU NEVER LISTEN TO ME.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of what I&#8217;ve said has been on private or at least semi-private Internet channels.</p>
<p>I tried to tell everyone to shut up about it. BUT YOU NEVER LISTEN TO ME.</p>
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		<title>By: Artheos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Artheos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Pick the most obvious thing about that person! Bonus points if it’s something they can’t help! Fat, stuttering, the presence of a vagina.&quot;

I was under the impression that people could control their weight through their choices of diet and exercise, and that it is healthy to do so.

Mostly what I would be concerned about is how Jade Raymond feels about all this. The rest of the discussion is pointless, imho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pick the most obvious thing about that person! Bonus points if it’s something they can’t help! Fat, stuttering, the presence of a vagina.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was under the impression that people could control their weight through their choices of diet and exercise, and that it is healthy to do so.</p>
<p>Mostly what I would be concerned about is how Jade Raymond feels about all this. The rest of the discussion is pointless, imho.</p>
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		<title>By: Phaltran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phaltran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People, and our society in general are getting more stupid by the day. I&#039;m a techie so I have to thank technology for my income, but every day I&#039;m stunned at how stupidly someone uses it and to what depths a person can drop their morality.

It&#039;s a vicious cycle we&#039;re in. Young, white males are the largest percentage of the population with disposable income, free time and access to technology and the internet. Therefore they have they largest, loudest voice in most things related to the internet and computers. Most of the women I know still think of computers as toys or tools at best. More mature people have too much offline responsibility to spend much time, if any, on the internet: work, family, hobbies, exercise. Therefore, the realm is left to those that are here constantly and making the most noise - sadly, that results in the immature males (regardless of age).

I was personally affronted by the membership of a guild I joined (I followed some friends). In general the guild consisted of young (&lt;24) males. There was a general lack of respect for anyone, an unwillingness to help in any fashion, a constant barrage of cursing and the usual sarcastic and sexually suggestive responses to any comment made in guild chat or over VoIP. I couldn&#039;t stand it and left. When the GM asked me why, I told him the above reasons. He locked on the cursing and stated &quot;it&#039;s done by 90% of the people everywhere.&quot; While I disputed his exaggeration and lack of exposure to professionals, children or mature people, it still made me think. People, in general, are ignoring many things like this and it encourages the offenders to continue doing what they are doing.

While I think the C&amp;D response and other attention to the comic artist will only build his infamy, still ignoring it will only encourage others to perform a similar act in the future. Those that know the difference between right and wrong must stand up and profess that wrong is still unacceptable. However futile the fight, we still have to keep fighting.

Regardless of what the fucktards say, when it&#039;s over the people that count know the truth. Jade Raymond knows that she has made a major achievement by her own skill and accomplishment, her team knows it and those close to her know it. What a few hundred juvenile jerks say or do shouldn&#039;t detract from that. She&#039;s the one that can laugh about it all the way to the bank. Man&#039;s world or woman&#039;s world, in our society money = respect (as long as you don&#039;t perform stupid celebrity acts) and she is raking in the money from Assassin&#039;s Creed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People, and our society in general are getting more stupid by the day. I&#8217;m a techie so I have to thank technology for my income, but every day I&#8217;m stunned at how stupidly someone uses it and to what depths a person can drop their morality.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a vicious cycle we&#8217;re in. Young, white males are the largest percentage of the population with disposable income, free time and access to technology and the internet. Therefore they have they largest, loudest voice in most things related to the internet and computers. Most of the women I know still think of computers as toys or tools at best. More mature people have too much offline responsibility to spend much time, if any, on the internet: work, family, hobbies, exercise. Therefore, the realm is left to those that are here constantly and making the most noise &#8211; sadly, that results in the immature males (regardless of age).</p>
<p>I was personally affronted by the membership of a guild I joined (I followed some friends). In general the guild consisted of young (&lt;24) males. There was a general lack of respect for anyone, an unwillingness to help in any fashion, a constant barrage of cursing and the usual sarcastic and sexually suggestive responses to any comment made in guild chat or over VoIP. I couldn&#8217;t stand it and left. When the GM asked me why, I told him the above reasons. He locked on the cursing and stated &#8220;it&#8217;s done by 90% of the people everywhere.&#8221; While I disputed his exaggeration and lack of exposure to professionals, children or mature people, it still made me think. People, in general, are ignoring many things like this and it encourages the offenders to continue doing what they are doing.</p>
<p>While I think the C&amp;D response and other attention to the comic artist will only build his infamy, still ignoring it will only encourage others to perform a similar act in the future. Those that know the difference between right and wrong must stand up and profess that wrong is still unacceptable. However futile the fight, we still have to keep fighting.</p>
<p>Regardless of what the fucktards say, when it&#8217;s over the people that count know the truth. Jade Raymond knows that she has made a major achievement by her own skill and accomplishment, her team knows it and those close to her know it. What a few hundred juvenile jerks say or do shouldn&#8217;t detract from that. She&#8217;s the one that can laugh about it all the way to the bank. Man&#8217;s world or woman&#8217;s world, in our society money = respect (as long as you don&#8217;t perform stupid celebrity acts) and she is raking in the money from Assassin&#8217;s Creed.</p>
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		<title>By: sanyaweathers</title>
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		<dc:creator>sanyaweathers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My greatest fear is that you&#039;re right in some ways, Melissa. Certainly in terms of the money, females lag well behind the males, and while usually the reason isn&#039;t so blatantly stupid as &quot;but he&#039;s got a FAMILY,&quot; it&#039;s usually third generation stupid - like she started at a lower salary because the lead who hired her didn&#039;t think she had leadership potential until she moved to a different division and took it over.

However, items one and two on your highlight reel... well, I&#039;ve seen plenty of men accused of special oral skills. Equality in this area is being achieved by the somewhat crude means of assuming that EVERYONE can give a blow job. Not only do we all have eye sockets, we all have mouths, as it turns out. And item two, again, I think goes with the territory because it&#039;s the most obvious thing people can see. Also, being upset at how totally unattainable a female is (and jealous that other males have a chance just for being better looking or more fun) happens to be something that all of the higher primates rage about.

I wish I knew what to do about three and four. Well, I know what I&#039;d do (publicly known pay scales and firing the sexist loser in question) but I don&#039;t know a single executive that would do either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My greatest fear is that you&#8217;re right in some ways, Melissa. Certainly in terms of the money, females lag well behind the males, and while usually the reason isn&#8217;t so blatantly stupid as &#8220;but he&#8217;s got a FAMILY,&#8221; it&#8217;s usually third generation stupid &#8211; like she started at a lower salary because the lead who hired her didn&#8217;t think she had leadership potential until she moved to a different division and took it over.</p>
<p>However, items one and two on your highlight reel&#8230; well, I&#8217;ve seen plenty of men accused of special oral skills. Equality in this area is being achieved by the somewhat crude means of assuming that EVERYONE can give a blow job. Not only do we all have eye sockets, we all have mouths, as it turns out. And item two, again, I think goes with the territory because it&#8217;s the most obvious thing people can see. Also, being upset at how totally unattainable a female is (and jealous that other males have a chance just for being better looking or more fun) happens to be something that all of the higher primates rage about.</p>
<p>I wish I knew what to do about three and four. Well, I know what I&#8217;d do (publicly known pay scales and firing the sexist loser in question) but I don&#8217;t know a single executive that would do either.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always seem to start these responses with the disclaimer that I&#039;m not a feminist.  I fear that feminism was an overreaction to a problem.  I agree that this overreaction was necessary to create a long term correction.  I appreciate that the quality of women&#039;s professional and personal lives are dramatically improved.  In fact, ten years ago, I would have said that women in the game industry are treated equally -- but my opinion has changed.

We all know that women in the game industry continue to earn thousands of dollars less than our male counterparts.  What was the last count?  $7,000 less on average, I think?

Personally, I seem to have built up a small collection of minor incidents that have (over ten years) grown into a pattern that clearly indicates that my gender has limited (on some small scale) my growth in my profession.  (I am a producer in the game industry.  I started in community management.)  I try not to overreact to these events, but I can&#039;t ignore that they happened.

A list of highlights from the collection:

* a subtle implication (unfounded) from a co-worker (female, no-less) that my successes must be the result of &quot;special relationships&quot; with my male bosses

* a brutal and equally as unfounded accusation from a customer suggesting that my successes were the result of providing sexual favors and romantic relationships with my male bosses.

* being made aware of the knowledge that a peer was paid a great deal more than I because &quot;he has a wife and children to support.&quot;

* failing to get a job that I was told I was very qualified for because one of the leads &quot;doesn&#039;t get along with strong women.&quot;

Sanya, I think you have been lucky, very lucky, not to have experienced a similar pattern of incidents in your own life.  I honestly don&#039;t think that women are in crisis.  Our lives are so, so much better, thanks to many brave women who came before us.  But we should all keep our eyes open, because some of our success *IS* limited by our gender.  That doesn&#039;t mean we can&#039;t achieve as much as our male counterparts -- but we probably do work just a little bit harder for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always seem to start these responses with the disclaimer that I&#8217;m not a feminist.  I fear that feminism was an overreaction to a problem.  I agree that this overreaction was necessary to create a long term correction.  I appreciate that the quality of women&#8217;s professional and personal lives are dramatically improved.  In fact, ten years ago, I would have said that women in the game industry are treated equally &#8212; but my opinion has changed.</p>
<p>We all know that women in the game industry continue to earn thousands of dollars less than our male counterparts.  What was the last count?  $7,000 less on average, I think?</p>
<p>Personally, I seem to have built up a small collection of minor incidents that have (over ten years) grown into a pattern that clearly indicates that my gender has limited (on some small scale) my growth in my profession.  (I am a producer in the game industry.  I started in community management.)  I try not to overreact to these events, but I can&#8217;t ignore that they happened.</p>
<p>A list of highlights from the collection:</p>
<p>* a subtle implication (unfounded) from a co-worker (female, no-less) that my successes must be the result of &#8220;special relationships&#8221; with my male bosses</p>
<p>* a brutal and equally as unfounded accusation from a customer suggesting that my successes were the result of providing sexual favors and romantic relationships with my male bosses.</p>
<p>* being made aware of the knowledge that a peer was paid a great deal more than I because &#8220;he has a wife and children to support.&#8221;</p>
<p>* failing to get a job that I was told I was very qualified for because one of the leads &#8220;doesn&#8217;t get along with strong women.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sanya, I think you have been lucky, very lucky, not to have experienced a similar pattern of incidents in your own life.  I honestly don&#8217;t think that women are in crisis.  Our lives are so, so much better, thanks to many brave women who came before us.  But we should all keep our eyes open, because some of our success *IS* limited by our gender.  That doesn&#8217;t mean we can&#8217;t achieve as much as our male counterparts &#8212; but we probably do work just a little bit harder for it.</p>
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		<title>By: CR Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>CR Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This stuff has been going on since the UO days, but back then we didn&#039;t have 80,000 gaming sites/blogs/forums picking up on the misogynists and morons and elevating the typical rank stupidity of so many into the spotlight.

I sure miss that time, even as I post on another of an oodle of niche blogs I visit thereby supporting the crap I&#039;m complaining about.

Color me Jade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This stuff has been going on since the UO days, but back then we didn&#8217;t have 80,000 gaming sites/blogs/forums picking up on the misogynists and morons and elevating the typical rank stupidity of so many into the spotlight.</p>
<p>I sure miss that time, even as I post on another of an oodle of niche blogs I visit thereby supporting the crap I&#8217;m complaining about.</p>
<p>Color me Jade.</p>
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		<title>By: baronzemm</title>
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		<dc:creator>baronzemm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to 9, working in a homogenized environment is tiresome regardless of the industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to 9, working in a homogenized environment is tiresome regardless of the industry.</p>
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		<title>By: dartwick</title>
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		<dc:creator>dartwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 17:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw the comic now and I think Sanya like some others are misrepresenting it.
Yes the comic is mean, distasteful, unfair and dirty - I dont like it(although its not pornagraphic.)
Here are 2 points to note.

1 Its a seemingly mindless point but she is giving blow jobs its not a &quot;bukkake&quot; comic. I mention this because I think the word &quot;bukkake&quot; is being used its gets more attention lately. And more important I see the point was to imply shes a &quot;protitute&quot; not a some weird sex fetish chick.

2 The comic is is satirical.
To quote Sanya is reference to UBI &quot;Aside from the weird overpimping of a producer&quot;.
Then you say the comic isnt saterical? The comic is saying pretty much the exact same thing but in an a more nasty way. The comic attributes the the whoring to Jade herself, you attribute it to UBI - thats splitting hairs and you know it.


I have seen Sanya complain about people playing loose with the facts - she is doing it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the comic now and I think Sanya like some others are misrepresenting it.<br />
Yes the comic is mean, distasteful, unfair and dirty &#8211; I dont like it(although its not pornagraphic.)<br />
Here are 2 points to note.</p>
<p>1 Its a seemingly mindless point but she is giving blow jobs its not a &#8220;bukkake&#8221; comic. I mention this because I think the word &#8220;bukkake&#8221; is being used its gets more attention lately. And more important I see the point was to imply shes a &#8220;protitute&#8221; not a some weird sex fetish chick.</p>
<p>2 The comic is is satirical.<br />
To quote Sanya is reference to UBI &#8220;Aside from the weird overpimping of a producer&#8221;.<br />
Then you say the comic isnt saterical? The comic is saying pretty much the exact same thing but in an a more nasty way. The comic attributes the the whoring to Jade herself, you attribute it to UBI &#8211; thats splitting hairs and you know it.</p>
<p>I have seen Sanya complain about people playing loose with the facts &#8211; she is doing it here.</p>
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